bickster

Well yes obviously but it was just a counter to Starmer can't win and nothing more

Its absolutely correct and its the law. The photographer is the artist If it was ass about tit The Mona Lisa could demand to use the painiting of her by Leonardo Da Vinci and not pay him or the Queen could demand royalties from the Sex Pistols for God Save the Queen

Fair comment

Yes, I know (I was as was pointed out, revisiting a previous conversation partly in jest) but 59/41 is not a narrow victory, nor do I want it to be considered so because the more the Tory Party own Johnson, the better. Saying it's a narrow victory sort of says, well half the party are alright and they aren't, they are all words removed

Facts is facts

Its more MPs than voted for him to be leader of the party in the first place

Oh, here's a fact for the people who don't like Starmer As much as I said the result isn't THAT great for Labour, it is the first by-election they've managed to win from an incumbent party since 2012. They literally hadn't taken a Tory seat at a by-election for a decade So in a completely puerile way.. Milliband 0 Corbyn 0 Starmer 1

Seems about standard for both main parties. The idea that a big political party doesn't have significant factions is rather fanciful tbh A smaller % actually voted for Johnson as leader of the party in the first ballot and even the fifth

I've said it for a while now, that is my hope. Before we fix anything else, fixing democracy should be the first priority otherwise this shit keeps happening

You mean the first election that bloke lost? And lets be honest, they only did as well as they did because as the left wing are only to happy to moan about, the right wing of the party were in control of the election machine and didn't do as the messiah wanted. When they were in charge of the machine, they pumped the money into the seats they were going to win anyway

There was nothing narrow about it. It was 59% to 41%

Disagree wholeheartedly. Labour will never get elected on such a platform

That's the exact opposite of what this country needs right now What it needs to someone sensible elected is a different matter but the country needs far less populist bollocks, soundbites and insane policies. It needs sensible

Well I was curious if the new messiah Lynch actually put her right on that. I didn't watch it because I never do. The studio audience is nearly always full of Swivel Eyed loons (as she demonstrates literally) and the tv audience has usually always made it's mind up before they watch. When I found out Lynch was on it, I thought it was a mistake

I haven't looked at the maths recently but my gut still says Lab/Lib coalition There is a danger that people read too much into the Tiverton and Honiton result. As much as it's the "biggest majority to ever be overturned at a byelection", I still think North Shropshire was the bigger result. The LibDems came from further behind in a seat they have no traditional base in. If the LibDems hadn't (I know) gone into coalition with the Tories in 2010, that seat was a traditional Tory / Lib marginal I also don't think Wakefield is THAT good a result for Labour. The Tory vote fractured in a way it won't in any normal General Election due to the amount of right wing candidates. Labour picked up an 8% increased share of the vote, the Tories lost 17% on a very low turnout for a byelection of national interest

Not really probable unless the SNP implode which looks highly unlikely at this stage

Did anyone explain that the strike has nothing to do with train drivers?

This is the man that negotiated the Northern Ireland Protocol and now wants to rip it up, that shows the level of detail he's capable of

No but he certainly arranged the by-elections for when he was in Rwanda

Not a chance, he will not resign until he's forced to and it'll take longer than that to force him out. If they do force him out it'll rip the party to shreds, which I'm all for obviously, it'll just take longer than the end of this week or next week.

You've fallen into the trap of believing there are still Tories with a semblence of honour and respect. He's a fall guy, nothing more, nothing less

Exactly, it wasn't Oliver Dowden that lost those two byelections

I really don't know why he's bothered, it won't make any difference to Johnson, the Tories or him personally. Expect a knighthood at some point because it's most likely an attempt to deflect attention from Johnson. even if it is genuine, it's too late, the writing has been on the wall for ages and they had an opportunity to get rid of him which the party as a whole passed up

It possibly will be the biggest but only by a couple of hundred on North Shropshire and like I said the LibDems were in third place both times and were further back in North Shropshire than they are here by 3k votes The swing for Tory to LibDem in North Shropshire was 30k, they don’t need to achieve that here to win