bickster

The whataboutism in this conversation came from people who think South Africa is acting out of some sort of moral principal based on their past. People pointed out that South Africa weren’t acting out of some superior moral high ground What about Ukraine… Is how I read the conversation. It wasnt people saying that South Africa is a bad actor in this that mention Ukraine. Me saying I’d already answered the question isn’t sarcasm, it’s fact. I then gave you a more detailed answer to aid your understanding. I’m really not sure what words I've put in your mouth

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And I'll give you the same answer again. South Africa hasn't been invaded by Russia. I'm not sure why you can’t see that Ukraine is entirely reliant on western countries for its very existence so really must do what it has to do to survive. If you can’t see that South Africa and Ukraine are in completely different positions. South Africa is voting as an ally of Russia. Ukraine is doing what it needs to do to survive, let’s also not forget that Israel is currently home to 15,000 Jewish refugees from Ukraine, Kyiv is helped in its defence by an Israeli early warning alert system, Israel has been involved in the release of well regarded soldiers such as the defenders of Mariupol /Asovstal etc in act some of the Azovstal survivors recouperated in Israel. Sure Israel could probably have done more for Ukraine but it hasn’t just been doing nothing either. Ukraine needs its support. South Africa on the other hand have just picked a side and are playing their part. There’s also the fact that Ukraine has a Jewish population and one of some historical significance too. The leader of the Hasidic Jews tomb is in Ukraine and even though the war is ongoing, thousands still make the pilgrimage each year. There is also a monument in Kyiv to the Babyn Yar massacre, one of the biggest single massacres of Jews in the holocaust And then there’s Zelensky himself, he's Jewish. The relationship between Ukraine and Israel is enormously complicated. But they did as I evidenced criticise the Israeli attack on the hospital and called for a two state solution .Like I said, comparing the two countries voting actions is daft, they aren’t comparable

And it won't, fairly sure quite a few have been destroyed in Ukraine already

Other browsers are available, haven’t used Safari unless I've been forced to for years, it’s dreadful.

Yeah they're only not ignoring the Israel /Gaza one Absolutely most of these issues are Russian / Iran lead. Even Gaza

I did read it, you compared the two countries and said you don’t see why their position isn’t the same and why they are being treated differently. The answer is obvious and has already been answered before you even made your post But just to repeat it, SA only last week welcomed Hemedti to SA, leader of the RSF and perpetrator of both genocide, crimes against humanity and war crimes, in some instances multiple times. He's had help from the likes of the Wagner group on his way, he's on the side of the Houthi in Yemen, he's been at the head of a number of well known massacres. He’s a despicable human being with a dreadful record of slaughter This and a lot of the other shit going on in the world right now all go back to Putin, via Iran and South Africa are also part of that equation. South Africa isn’t some innocent country in this, it's absolutely a Russian ally. You have to view their actions through that lens.

When did South Africa get invaded by Russia? Comparing SA with Ukraine is a false equivalence. But this was the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry of the attack on Al Ahli Hospital

It’s not a thing. St Dominic's is a church in Belfast and a church in San Francisco both of which were holding services to pray for peace in NI around the time the song was written. The preview bit isn’t a thing, I think it’s just Van taking his view of the events in both churches before the events.

Like I said, no one has said any different

Ironically, that’s the rate I was getting on the black market in a basement nightclub in Leningrad University in 1989

We are people, we aren’t governments, not sure how you can confuse that difference

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They literally are a Russian Ally. Please don’t come to the BRICS meeting in SA Vlad because we'll have to arrest you and we don’t want to because you are our friend Their voting at the UN indicates the same.

Yes quite rightly, their motivation is in question

I’m not sure where anyone has said they were wrong.

Well have this cover of a Suicide song by Moon Duo, (guitarist Ripley Johnson) then that might also lead you to his other bands Wooden Shjips and Rose City Band

Old record industry trick, release stuff you want to push in January because sales hit the floor Bill Ryder-Jones will be number one next week for the same reason. There weren’t any copies left for me after work, I've got to wait until next week

Do you think those three things you've mentioned aren’t true? Hamas are no saints here, I imagine all three of those things are true, in fact we pretty much know one misfired / faulty missile fell just outside a hospital for starters, the others seem pretty likely scenarios too and well within their playbook. Don’t take this as me defending Israel, I'm not but Israel mentioning those in their defence seems pretty logical because they will chuck anything that is or seems to be true back in the opposite direction and those things to me are exactly that

I kind of had him as just below the other two just because he retired in 1972 and was on the balance of probability a better player than Bennett (just) but Bennet played at the top longer and was there for the really golden period of Welsh Rugby in the 70s

I'm getting all excited to drop into town on my way home to pick up the new Bill Ryder-Jones album

Irrelevant unless you know who the other party is.

She was old in the 80s when we put her on at the Uni

Haaland definitely out, not even back with the first team yet, that makes me think towards Alvarez and not Toney

Annie Nightingale, pioneering female radio DJ gone at 83