nick76

At the end of the day McLeish is still shit

What gives you that impression? He proved with SHA that given time things don't really get much better. All we'll do is become more effective at being negative. You really need to give it a rest. Do you think he could have signed Given at Blues? It's pointless looking back at what he did at Blues now, he can attract a better player to our club, we have an abundance of quality young players coming through. I don't remember any coming through at Blues. He's used these players, sometimes it was forced upon him to do so but he talks very highly of the young players. Im sure they'll play a big part next season. Its time to clear out and bring them through. At least some are willing to give him a chance to do so and accepted that he'll be here to do it whether people like you like it or not. and I quote accepting a situation about sums it up, we have no choice, we know he's awful but some here have accepted that because not much is likely to change whereas some of us will continue to push for change.....as reading the blues fan comment of suffering for 4 years of it........could you imagine another 3 years of this I certainly cant.............

very true didnt we have 23 shots vs QPR a month ago. its a lot better than at start of the season and if people took off their anti-mcleish blinkers they could see it no blinkers, just watching game after game. to be fair it couldnt have been much worse than the start of the season but doesnt mean now is satisfactory by any means.

What about when Fergie went with the kids and the domination they had for years, in fact Giggs and Scholes are still going. You still need a mix of experience and kids, and no our kids aren't good enough. They are really good but you are comparing to a different level of talent above. One or two of ours might get to that level but stats suggest no more

When there are people like Trent Villa refusing to offer praise to him when we win, what chance does he have. If he keeps winning matches opinions like TV's become irrelevant, let's hope for the sake of the club he can follow this win with another against Bolton. The difference though is when he makes decisions only very rarely do they pay off so you could argue it was luck whereas if decisions he made consistently paid off then that is ability. So while people like Trent and me will briefly say well done on a decision, overall until he proves different on a consistent basis then it was luck that it paid off. Remember we were only 30 seconds from another draw, equalling the worst home run since 1921.......I think you need to take that on board when viewing our reaction.

While I agree with the overall tenor of your argument, Nick, we have not yet equalled the 1921 record! It will be equalled today if Villa fail to beat Fulham. Sorry to be a pedant but we can't accuse McLeish for something he's not (yet) guilty of! Oh sorry, thought we had, still not feeling any better about it though. Hopefully we'll avoid equalling that record today and have a convincing performance for once

We've never been a media darling though have we plus they have been so focused on AVB for the last few weeks but maybe now that's over we might get a little focus......not holding my breath though

I just don't see why he's still here after the results and performance this season, even the board has to see it. They just must be keeping him because they can't afford to pay him off......given the long term implications this is crazy. Stats are against him, we have equalled the worst home run since 1921, the football is abysmal, it's hard to argue against the fact that most Villa fans would rather him not be here, his media comments are poor or at least contrary to what happens on the pitch and while above the relegation zone fans are relying on the teams below us being so bad (which they are) to avoid relegation rather believing we will get ourselves out of this predicament......

I'm usually laughing at myself by Tuesday......Saturday afternoon disappointment, Saturday night angry, Sunday angry, Monday at work embarrassed, Tuesday laughing at myself for continuing to put myself through this and knowing I'll be back the following week.

clicky This is just becoming too bizarre to be real, maybe I just need to switch off from the Villa for a few games, a few weeks....and then come back! Just feels like I'm watching and reading some book from an upside down world and it digs into every core of my thinking. Seriously what is going on? Just waiting for somebody to jump out and say 'you've been Punked'

Yeah when are we allowed to voice our opinion.....we cant protest because it's either childish or wrong time, we cant do it during the game because we need to support the team, if we do it on forums we are just the loud minority and dont represent more of us.........please tell us when we can vocalise our frustration and mis-management of our club? I've never been one to sit back and accept things, it's not in my nature

That is a hideous hideous, did I mention hideous kit

Another day gone and he's still here......I'm sure I'm living in a nightmare

and now he has been outed how do all the posters who asskissed and pandered to him on his thread feel? I was one of those people and given his history and what he achieved I think he deserved the respect that I take him at his word. He has though betrayed or at least disappeared when the going gets tough. The same for McLeish, based on his history of managing and what he had achieved I gave him the same level of respect he deserved which was a big fat zero and he should never have been given the job in the first place. So where the general failed my level of expectation in him, McLeish fulfilled the level of expectation in him.

Crickey - really..! In some ways I hope not as I think that could really rock the boat. Has anyone heard if he has resigned..?! To be fair you can't really rock the boat when it's sinking! Rocking the boat anyway could do us some good as what is currently happening is not doing us any good

I'm just worried there will be a 1 in front of that thus 1666 pages, as I'm deeply worried he will be here next season

as a percentage on net worth or net income I think i can safely say that a lot of us have spent more than Randy. I still want him here just disappointed in some of his decisions

great letter

I would generally agree but I don't think we can destabilize the team any more than McLeish is.....bringing Heskey on yesterday was just plain bizarre and the players on the pitch must have thought WTF!

I like the look of that

People only hate him because of where he came from... Its not the only reason, but it is a still a massive factor and always will be. Those who pretend it's not really a major if not THE major factor, should re-read the posts on this site from the first week he was appointed. He wasn't hated then "because of how badly he has set us up to play" as some pretend is their whole complaint. oh get a grip will you! If you are happy with what is happening under his management then your expectations are rock bottom.

I couldn't have put it better myself

So 2 accidentals yes, who are the other 18? Liked to know the reasons apart from the reason of 'nobody better out there' because that's fairly lame excuse

again it's not losing 1-0 it is the manner we lost in.....and your points above are a bit rose tinted. I could argue why his decisions were wrong and go through each of your points but I'm running out of energy keep arguing and debating about this manager. If people are happy or not willing to change the issues we have I'm starting to lose hope, I just can't see how people can defend this and then McLeish have the hide and say what he did in the post match interview......just very sad about it all......

Finally seen McLeish's post match interview, if people defend him after that then there is no hope.