Eames

I'd love to meet the genius that came up with this - he deserves to be cockpunched for the rest of his natural life.

No footballer is overpaid. They are paid what the Chairman/Owners think they are worth. If someone's salary doesn't seem to be good value for money its the idiot that agreed to pay it not the idiot who accepted it that we should be blaming.

Best one of those I've seen. Raised a snigger. WB but only once.

Austin's record this season is impressive considering the shower of shit he's had around him this season - put him a decent team that will give him decent service (not necessarily us) and he'll bag a hat full. We'd have to adapt our style of play but I'm not against the idea.

What they've done with Bronn is fantastic. Perfect light relief/gallows humour.

Surely blades towards is just stupid no? Unless you're an elastoplast shareholder?

When you headphones get old and only one of the ear buds work. Either that or Ive wrecked he headphone jack. Listening to music in one ear is rubbish.

I'd have preferred they left Dorne alone with the death of Oberyn. The only crumb of comfort is that its obviously relevant long term because in this age of TV efficiency we are still hearing about it.

Bring It On!

Not fussed by the Home but the away is absolutely beautiful.

All the while ensuring that my beloved PSG don't fall foul of our own rules

yes agreed. which is worse - trying to kill a child by throwing him out of a window, or a rape? I don't know. Two deviants doing something horrible to hide their crimes that is an essential early plot development or a cyncially inserted scene detrimental to character development and large chunks of the plot of previous episodes. You decide.

I can't agree Sansa needs to get raped to give her some motivation to kill Ramsey. The Boltons murdered her mother and brother in cold blood. They are in cahoots with the Lannisters who killed her father - that surely is enough to give Ramsey a good shanking.

That team is horrible imo. No Delph, Clarke, Hutton, Grealish, Guzan?

I can't see why they want Benteke. They've got Origi coming in who is a similar (less good) player. Would you want two strikers who are ultimately the same - spending £35-40m in the process?

No trust me, this particular scene would have been unfilmable, which is why I think it's commendable they managed get across the point or something similar, without having to go into very horrific territory. It should be noted that it is not Sansa this happens to in the books. Exactly. They've been happy to change the books to suit themselves all the way along and now all of a sudden there's a bit a rape it has to be included? Rubbish.

A thousand times this. I have no idea why they included that scene. It doesn't have a character development function, it adds very little to the plot beyond the and actually removes any agency they had been building with Sansa for the last few episodes. Its there solely for shock value in a pathetic attempt to be "edgy" We know Ramsey is an arsehole. Season 3 of solid torture and emasculating Theon taught us that. We know Sansa gets **** over - a lot. We know Theon is too terrified of Ramsey to intervene. Even the obvious best case scenario pay off didn't require this additional motivation. I really thought with the opportunities that the TV has to be more efficient over AFFC they'd have done a better job than what they've served up so far. This is easily the worst season of the show. I thought the scene was handled well, with a little horror as it was possible to show. Obviously unpleasant, but the worst appeared off camera, and as someone that knew a scene like that was coming, then I think we got off very lightly. I agree that we know from the books that it could have been worse that is hardly a reason to show it. "we could have included the dog sex - so think yourselves lucky you just got an unnecessary rape scene hardly justifies its inclusion. But it wasn't unnecessary, it was important for the mind sets of all three characters. I understand rape seems to be on a pedestal compared to other horrors but obviously Benioff and Weiss feel this way too by having it off camera. Is it though? Like I said - we know Ramsey is an arse, we know Sansa gets **** over by people more powerful than her. I accept it develops Theon/Reek but not enough for me to offset the damage it does to Sansa's portrayal in the show. How else are they meant to show Sansa is having a terrible time there? The last couple of episodes Ramsey has been more courteous, especially when with Sansa, it needed to show that he's still a full on dick and it did that with minimal on camera horror. I'd question why they need to. Look at all the things the Bolton's have done to her family. There is enough motivation right there for her sticking a knife in his neck - THAT could also form the event that returns Theon to his wits.....it didn't have to be by as CED says "stripping her of all agency" for a made up unnecessary rape scene. How it was shot is irrelevant. Technically it was well executed and yes wasn't graphic. That's not my problem with it. So is your problem simply the fact that it's rape? No. Its the fact that the show has spent some of S4 and all of the current S5 episodes developing Sansa as an independent effective character - aware of her own mind and able to act on her own for her own motives. They have completely undermined that work for very little benefit beyond having a controversial moment. We know Ramsey is an arse. Sansa has sufficient motive to kill him already without this pantomine "oooh what a bastard look what he's like" nonsense.

Nail. Head.

A thousand times this. I have no idea why they included that scene. It doesn't have a character development function, it adds very little to the plot beyond the and actually removes any agency they had been building with Sansa for the last few episodes. Its there solely for shock value in a pathetic attempt to be "edgy" We know Ramsey is an arsehole. Season 3 of solid torture and emasculating Theon taught us that. We know Sansa gets **** over - a lot. We know Theon is too terrified of Ramsey to intervene. Even the obvious best case scenario pay off didn't require this additional motivation. I really thought with the opportunities that the TV has to be more efficient over AFFC they'd have done a better job than what they've served up so far. This is easily the worst season of the show. I thought the scene was handled well, with a little horror as it was possible to show. Obviously unpleasant, but the worst appeared off camera, and as someone that knew a scene like that was coming, then I think we got off very lightly. I agree that we know from the books that it could have been worse that is hardly a reason to show it. "we could have included the dog sex - so think yourselves lucky you just got an unnecessary rape scene hardly justifies its inclusion. But it wasn't unnecessary, it was important for the mind sets of all three characters. I understand rape seems to be on a pedestal compared to other horrors but obviously Benioff and Weiss feel this way too by having it off camera. Is it though? Like I said - we know Ramsey is an arse, we know Sansa gets **** over by people more powerful than her. I accept it develops Theon/Reek but not enough for me to offset the damage it does to Sansa's portrayal in the show. How else are they meant to show Sansa is having a terrible time there? The last couple of episodes Ramsey has been more courteous, especially when with Sansa, it needed to show that he's still a full on dick and it did that with minimal on camera horror. I'd question why they need to. Look at all the things the Bolton's have done to her family. There is enough motivation right there for her sticking a knife in his neck - THAT could also form the event that returns Theon to his wits.....it didn't have to be by as CED says "stripping her of all agency" for a made up unnecessary rape scene. How it was shot is irrelevant. Technically it was well executed and yes wasn't graphic. That's not my problem with it.

This explains it so much better than I am.

A thousand times this. I have no idea why they included that scene. It doesn't have a character development function, it adds very little to the plot beyond the and actually removes any agency they had been building with Sansa for the last few episodes. Its there solely for shock value in a pathetic attempt to be "edgy" We know Ramsey is an arsehole. Season 3 of solid torture and emasculating Theon taught us that. We know Sansa gets **** over - a lot. We know Theon is too terrified of Ramsey to intervene. Even the obvious best case scenario pay off didn't require this additional motivation. I really thought with the opportunities that the TV has to be more efficient over AFFC they'd have done a better job than what they've served up so far. This is easily the worst season of the show. I thought the scene was handled well, with a little horror as it was possible to show. Obviously unpleasant, but the worst appeared off camera, and as someone that knew a scene like that was coming, then I think we got off very lightly. I agree that we know from the books that it could have been worse that is hardly a reason to show it. "we could have included the dog sex - so think yourselves lucky you just got an unnecessary rape scene hardly justifies its inclusion. But it wasn't unnecessary, it was important for the mind sets of all three characters. I understand rape seems to be on a pedestal compared to other horrors but obviously Benioff and Weiss feel this way too by having it off camera. Is it though? Like I said - we know Ramsey is an arse, we know Sansa gets **** over by people more powerful than her. I accept it develops Theon/Reek but not enough for me to offset the damage it does to Sansa's portrayal in the show.

In a nutshell

What does it add to the story that we didn't already know? And does that benefit outweigh the removal of any agency that they have developed in Sansa so far this season. She doesn't need the additional motivation to do what she is clearly going to do. The Boltons murdered her mother and brother. They work(ed) for the family that executed her father. She has all the motivation a character will ever need for revenge.

A thousand times this. I have no idea why they included that scene. It doesn't have a character development function, it adds very little to the plot beyond the and actually removes any agency they had been building with Sansa for the last few episodes. Its there solely for shock value in a pathetic attempt to be "edgy" We know Ramsey is an arsehole. Season 3 of solid torture and emasculating Theon taught us that. We know Sansa gets **** over - a lot. We know Theon is too terrified of Ramsey to intervene. Even the obvious best case scenario pay off didn't require this additional motivation. I really thought with the opportunities that the TV has to be more efficient over AFFC they'd have done a better job than what they've served up so far. This is easily the worst season of the show. I thought the scene was handled well, with a little horror as it was possible to show. Obviously unpleasant, but the worst appeared off camera, and as someone that knew a scene like that was coming, then I think we got off very lightly. I agree that we know from the books that it could have been worse that is hardly a reason to show it. "we could have included the dog sex - so think yourselves lucky you just got an unnecessary rape scene hardly justifies its inclusion.